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said about humility. when we look at john paul ii's end, many people came away with his public suffering and death as thinking he's teaching us how to die. and now look at this pope. he's teaching us how to be humble. i think it's a beautiful lesson from pope benedict. >> george, it's a complicated question. but in a word as briefly as you can, how do you see pope benedict's legacy? >> he's the pope who completed the work of the second council. with his predecessor gave that council an authoritative representation. they opened the door to the church of the third millennium, or as i've called it angel kal catholicism. benedict xvi will be the last pope to attend vatican two. so we're in an end moment. but he's prepared us well to walk through the door into an evangelical future. >> i want to pursue that catholic evangelicalism. i remember cardinal ratzinger before he became pope talked about making another stab at getting europeans back into the catholic church. making europe a less secular society. did he succeed? or is it just too difficult? >> well, he clearly made it one of
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